Episode 33 Whatever Happened, Happened
April 4, 2009 by Donald Mikhail and Charlotte
Filed under Tv and Film
Loading ...Sorry for the delay I was unstuck in time this problem is addressed and solved in the podcast with the help of some close friends. In this episode I dive into the Kate centric episode that mirrored season 1 perfectly. We have great feedback Charlotte Lewis goes to a rave, Hurly and Miles stop by, a packed grinds my gears segment and much more! Send me an email to lost@donaldislost.com or a voicemail to 206-984-1289.
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This is like Bizarro-Lost Unlocked. Way to have a completely derivative name and photoshop theme!
I give you one star for effort and another for being less self-indulgently vapid than the Lost Initiative with Aimee and Kimberley. Good luck to you.
I thought it was mostly just an okay episode. But can I be the first to say, um HELLO, bullet wound on the completely wrong side of the chest?!
Maybe you were watching the episode through a mirror.
Good episode. Nice to see the characters having the same conversations we’re having. Though Jack should have helped Ben, he DID make a lot of sense when he explained why he didn’t.
I loved it. The Hurley Miles scenes were just awesome. Hurley is now the voice of the Lost fandom. And I could even stomach Kate. And Richard just gets yummier every episode!
4/5 for tonight’s episode. I thought the Hurley and Miles scene was great. The end with Richard taking Ben and explaining that he will lose his innocence forever was good. It was good to see Lock again. Next weeks episode looks to be AMAZING after watching the “next on lost.”
Now that they explained (partially at least) why Ben didn’t remember Sayid when he got tortured by him, I’m even more bothered by the fact that Rousseau didn’t recognize Jin. I hope they’ll explain that too.
Anyway, I think this episode was pretty good. Not one of the best of the season but pretty good still. Gave it a 4.
I’m really excited to see what happens next week. I kind of wanna watch the trailer but after that spoilerish Locke-trailer a few weeks back I’m not sure I should. Or should I?
I guess there’s still a chance that Kate can give Ben a good smackdown, but it looks like that won’t be the case! I loved this episode, I felt really bad for Kate but she faced up to what she did and chose to do the right thing for Aaron. I was struck by the similarity of what Richard said would happen to Ben (“He’ll always be one of us”) and what we were told Jack’s tattoo says: “He walks among us but is not one of us”. I wonder if Jack could appreciate that irony!
Sorry, I left off the last sentence: Maybe Jack’s destiny is to turn Ben into the grown-up version of Ben that we see in the future?
I am so impressed by this episode. I didn’t really believe a Kate ep could be fantastic – but I did go into it with the high expectation that LOST was better than “He’s Our You.” “Whatever Happened, Happened” is a perfect balance of the crazy storytelling of Season 5 and the utterly fantastic flashback scenes of Kate’s troubled journey back to the island.
Evangeline Lily needs some love for her work her – she did a brilliant job in several scenes… mostly though, Damon and Carlton get points for writing an ep that, for me, is the closest we have come to the Season 1 greatness of really looking into these people’s lives and seeing honest moments of difficulty and challenges. The direction of the episode was really strong as well (though I am not familiar with Bobby… whoever, that directed it).
The Roger Linus scenes were exactly what I needed to counter balance the terrible scenes with him last week (terrible in story and execution) – all of the sudden, I want to know his whole story too!
Great humor – solid character work – mythology stuff at the end – heck, even Jack got an explanation for his inaction!
I am so thrilled that LOST stepped up to the plate and cranked one out of the park – when they simply needed to bunt (hmmmm – I hate baseball, why am I making this analogy?).
Bravo!!!
Who else think Miles and Hurly should have thier own sit com ?? I luved this episode,It was one of the best this season,I voted for a “Could it get any better?” , but could Kate get any worse ? That’s the real question !!
Jed, I agree with all your thoughts, very well expressed. I think that Jack’s inaction becomes his unknowing contribution to Ben’s coming back to the DI as an operative of the Others. That’s what I was trying to get at with the mention about the tattoo. By Jack choosing to not do his usual “fix things” bit by not operating on Ben, Ben gets taken to Richard for help. When Richard gets done with Ben, Ben will return to the DI as someone who “walks among us, but is not one of us”. It’s like Jack got the tattoo but Ben is really the person it refers to.
SP, I will have to watch that scene again. I don’t remember any explanation about Ben not remembering Sayid, just a question. In fact, I have always thought Ben did remember Sayid and just didn’t show it. So I thought Miles’ reaction to the question was strange. However, the way Ben looked when he woke up at the end made me think that he had just obtained those memories (similar to Desmond when he woke up and remembered Faraday’s visit). It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
i thought it jumped the shark. not in the Fonzy way where it reveals absurdity through goofy stunts, but through over complexity. its hard for me to stomach that the writers can get so overly complex chopping the storyline up where they fill in the gaps later but that only seems to work when you have extremely juvenile (or even robotic) dialog to leave it as a “mystery”.
the whole Kate subplot was based on this where she tells Jack to NEVER ask him about Aaron. then she justifies her bizarre Elmira from Tiny Toons child hoarding behavior to Claire’s mom as “i needed him”. if i was Claire’s mom i would have went Jerry Springer Show on her Howdy Doody face.
ill leave this short, and take it with a grain of salt. my overall point is that the writing mechanism of filling in gaps later for drama is wearing thin. thats what has jumped the shark in my opinion. i need the story to be more urgent and epic or it just seems mundane and corny.
Methinks that Alpert’s line to Sawyer and Kate about Ben “not remembering this” will suffice to cover the time travel issue that was brought up on the MURLEY SHOW!
I have to admit – I liked the idea that Ben always knew. Makes me all the more… twisted?
Jed – I agree that they put in the misremember line to solve the time travel issue. But I don’t think it was necessary, my favorite part about Ben surviving the shot was that he would then remember the Losties and being shot by the man who tortured him later! Without that irony, I see his recovery from being shot at the end of the episode a writer’s trick from writers I expect more from.
@sprspndx : I really don’t think on the third season the writers knew that they will have to come back to that thing with Said and Ben, that’s why they chose the path of “he won’t remember all of this” ,the easy one ! I’m kinda pissed at them for doing that
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Wadhah, I agree. I don’t understand why they felt it was necessary to say that Ben won’t remember. There was nothing in Season 2 that “proved” that Ben didn’t remember Sayid. Ben is definitely not an open book, and it would be just as easy to go on like Ben remembered the whole time, but kept it to himself for obvious reasons. Maybe there is some other reason for the Ben-not-remembering line. I certainly hope that it is not because they give the viewers so little credit that if we don’t see something spelled out (i.e. Ben remembering Sayid in Season 2) that we assume it didn’t happen. Of course, having read some of the fan uproar about how we didn’t see every single scene of Bentham talking to Jack and whining about alleged plot holes because we didn’t hear every line Jeremy Bentham ever spoke, maybe they are right!
Am I the only one who found this latest episode annoying and condescending? I gave it a 3. I don’t need the writers to sit me down like a kindergartener and spoon feed me everything. I liked “He’s Our You” much better, but To Each His Own!
Mrs. Alpert – I agree with your second/last paragraph. I gave this episode a 3 also. I just found it underwhelming mostly, with the exception of the last 5-10 minutes.
I don’t trust Juliet. I thought last week’s episode showed us that Ben “created” Sayid the murderer. Now I think we are seeing that Juliet’s decision to send Ben to the Others (she knows more about them than anyone) is going to “create” the Ben we have come to know. So instead of “fixing” things by going back into the past, are our time travelers actually causing the misery of the future?
Whoa? Damon and Carlton shout outs… Donald is ON FIRE
Hey! Thanks for playing my e-mail! OK, so I have watched the episode again now, and when I wrote my e-mail I forgot that Richard said Ben would forget the whole thing, but like someone else mentioned on your podcast, that STILL
…grinds my gears! (Sorry, the thng just posted by accident before I was done.) It is just a convenient writing ploy. Although I love this season overall, there have been quite a few of those. Plus I completely agree with Super Spandex about the shirt in the shower scene! I thought that too, but decided to focus on bigger things in my e-mail. I’m super glad he said it though!
Great podcast this week! The Finer Things Club was especially hilarious!
“And Richard just gets yummier every episode!” I have to totally agree, Amanda!
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I really enjoyed this week’s episode. Kate has been bugging me all season but not this week. I did not even mind the flashbacks with Cassidy. It all played out kind of the way I thought it would. Kate and Cassidy become close friends, and Aarron left with Claire’s mom. I loved the time travel talk with Miles and Hurley, too funny! I cannot wait to find out more about Richard, the temple, and the others. And I cannot wait to see more with Ben and John next week!
Donald, as always loved the podcast! I finaly called in. This is the first time I ever called any podcast so I felt a little wierd and honestly cannot remember a thing I said lol. Keep up the great work and can’t wait for the next episode/podcast!
Hey Donald, in your podcast you mentioned that you think Jack made the right choice in refusing to try to save young Ben. I had a different take:
If Jack feels he can change the future by letting young Ben die, then by definition he must believe it is possible to alter the future. But if it is possible to alter the future, then young Ben growing up and becoming evil is *not* a certainty, and there are other things Jack can do to prevent Ben from becoming a monster, or limiting the damage Ben can do. The very concept of letting a young boy die in order to prevent him from becoming a monster defeats its own logic, since if you can alter the future by killing him, you can also alter the future via other actions, *without* killing an innocent child.
And if it turns out you *can’t* alter the future, if the ultimate result will be an evil Ben regardless, in that case the only difference is a future with an evil Ben in which you chose to let an innocent child suffer, or a future with an evil Ben in which you chose to help *limit* an innocent child’s suffering.
So, either way, helping the child is the right thing to do.
Sgt Draino, I don’t think Jack thought he could change the future, that is more of Sayid mission (as far as Sayid is concerned) Jack is sitting back and coasting he is taking everything in stride. Jack is basically letting things happen this go round as opposed to making things happen like he did in 2004.
You must also take into consideration that Ben becomes the person he is because that is Ben’s choice. Jack is no more responsible for Ben’s suffering that the air or a rock. Ben treated Sayid the way he did and Ben turned the wheel that brought Sayid to that time. Its a loop of blame that always traces back to Ben and the reason its looped inthe first place is because of Ben turning the wheel.
Jack, by accepting Whatever Happened, Happened has acted on his knowledge of the future, that knowledge of the future came from Ben sending them back by turning the wheel and also by Ben killing Locke and bringing them back to the Island.
If any blame is to be assigned its Roger, since he seems to be the only person that made Ben turn to the hostiles in the first place. The decision was always Ben’s decision, Ben made the decision to go against the warnings of his people and converse with the hostiles in the first place. His own actions whether as a kid or as an adult have led to his own suffering. Sorry for writing all this.
It *is* a loop of blame that perpetuates itself, but Jack is a part of that loop. Ben screwed him over in the future, so he lets young Ben suffer in the past, which in turn leads to Ben becoming evil and screwing Jack over in the future. What happened, happened, because both Ben and Jack (and others) made poor choices, wrong decisions. If Jack had done the right thing, the loop could have been broken. Jack *does* have some responsibility for young Ben’s suffering, because he could have helped, but instead chose to take a shower.
PS – Is there any way to make my own cool little icon, like you and Amanda have?
And congratulations on the Damon and Carlton shout-out, that was awesome. Cool that you called them on not realizing your podcast isn’t in Louisiana anymore! lol.